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Stephen Anderson-2
Thanks to Dick, Herb and Peter for hints on how to solve my problems.  I hope the PrefPane gets fixed soon — Peter’s solution of appending the appropriate bin directory to the path and opening e.g. TeXShop from the command line works, but it’s pretty cumbersome.

As for the fonts, the versions I have are in the form of old .suit files and also (so GetInfo says) Postscript outline fonts.  I don’t think anyone has been developing these fonts locally for many years, so my efforts to get .otf or .ttf versions have not borne fruit.  I tried using fondu to convert the .suit files, but I get an error on each: e.g.

> Can't find an appropriate resource fork in ./YaleAdmin-Roman.suit

Is there some other utility around that might do this conversion? I tried a couple of online conversion sites, but none of them would do anything with the files I have, either.  These all show up in FontBook and they work fine in other Mac applications (and in previous versions of XeLaTeX).


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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Herbert Schulz

On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Stephen Anderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks to Dick, Herb and Peter for hints on how to solve my problems.  I hope the PrefPane gets fixed soon — Peter’s solution of appending the appropriate bin directory to the path and opening e.g. TeXShop from the command line works, but it’s pretty cumbersome.
>
> As for the fonts, the versions I have are in the form of old .suit files and also (so GetInfo says) Postscript outline fonts.  I don’t think anyone has been developing these fonts locally for many years, so my efforts to get .otf or .ttf versions have not borne fruit.  I tried using fondu to convert the .suit files, but I get an error on each: e.g.
>
>> Can't find an appropriate resource fork in ./YaleAdmin-Roman.suit
>
> Is there some other utility around that might do this conversion? I tried a couple of online conversion sites, but none of them would do anything with the files I have, either.  These all show up in FontBook and they work fine in other Mac applications (and in previous versions of XeLaTeX).
>
>
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> Steve Anderson

Howdy,

I find it hard to believe you can't get the fonts from <http://www.yale.edu/universityprinter/typeface/typeface.html>. I'm not there so I can't but you are. Are they really that ancient that .ttf or .otf versions aren't available? Those versions can be used on Mac OS X.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Peter Dyballa
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Am 13.11.2013 um 23:15 schrieb Stephen Anderson:

>> Can't find an appropriate resource fork in ./YaleAdmin-Roman.suit
>

Maybe you just need an older version of Fondu!

BTW, your TeX Live 2013 installation has some more font suits for practising:

        /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/doc/fonts/chemarrow/arrow.Mac.sit.hqx
        /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/doc/fonts/prodint/prodint.sit.hqx

You did not answer whether Font Book shows fonts from YaleAdmin-Roman.suit.

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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Michael Sharpe
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Stephen Anderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks to Dick, Herb and Peter for hints on how to solve my problems.  I hope the PrefPane gets fixed soon — Peter’s solution of appending the appropriate bin directory to the path and opening e.g. TeXShop from the command line works, but it’s pretty cumbersome.
>
> As for the fonts, the versions I have are in the form of old .suit files and also (so GetInfo says) Postscript outline fonts.  I don’t think anyone has been developing these fonts locally for many years, so my efforts to get .otf or .ttf versions have not borne fruit.  I tried using fondu to convert the .suit files, but I get an error on each: e.g.
>
>> Can't find an appropriate resource fork in ./YaleAdmin-Roman.suit
>
> Is there some other utility around that might do this conversion? I tried a couple of online conversion sites, but none of them would do anything with the files I have, either.  These all show up in FontBook and they work fine in other Mac applications (and in previous versions of XeLaTeX).
>
>

Fondu would sometimes work for me, sometimes not. It sometimes helps to convert the suitcase and the PostScript file to macbinary format with

macbinary encode ...

The only conversion technique that never failed me was the old Font Manipulation Package (FMP) by the now defunct YANDY, which has, I believe, been donated to TUG and is freely available. It runs only under DOS, I'm afraid, but it produces a pfa and an afm from macbinaries of the suitcase and the PostScript font, and those can be changed easily to pfb+afm. If you want otf or ttf, there is a free conversion site running FontForge at

http://www.fontconvert.org

If you can't find the FMP tools, email me your fonts (zipped, of course) and I'll try doing the FMP step.

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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Stephen Anderson-2
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:48:04 -0600, Herbert Schulz said:

> I find it hard to believe you can't get the fonts from <http://www.yale.edu/universityprinter/typeface/typeface.html>. I'm not there so I can't but you are. Are they really that ancient that .ttf or .otf versions aren't available? Those versions can be used on Mac OS X.

Well, I found it hard to believe too, but it’s true.  So far all they have for Macs is the old .suit files plus Postscript outline versions.  I have written to the maintainer, and he says they’re working on .otf versions, but no estimate of when.  They have .ttf versions for a limited subset, prepared for PCs, but they don’t have all I need even in that form.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:29:00 +0100, Peter Dyballa said:

> You did not answer whether Font Book shows fonts from YaleAdmin-Roman.suit.

Actually, I did:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:15:34 -0500, Stephen Anderson said:

> These all show up in FontBook and they work fine in other Mac applications (and in previous versions of XeLaTeX).

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:45:35 -0800, Michael Sharpe said:

> If you want otf or ttf, there is a free conversion site running FontForge at http://www.fontconvert.org

Did you mean font converter.org?  I’ve tried that one (and a few others) and none of them seem to be able to do anything with my .suit files.

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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Stephen Anderson-2
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:45:35 -0800, Michael Sharpe said:

> If you can't find the FMP tools, email me your fonts (zipped, of course) and I'll try doing the FMP step.

I took him up on his offer, and he has very kindly converted the fonts to .otf format.  Installing them (in place of the previous .suit versions) with FontBook, my files now compile under TeXLive-2013.  

Many thanks to Michael: this is an amazing community.

I still have a problem though, not apparently related to the Yale fonts.  When I run XeLaTeX (not, I discover, XeLaTeX-xdv2pdf any more) on my files, I get a huge number of warnings about font map mismatches.  All of these are unrelated to any font actually invoked in the document.  A representative sample (there are hundreds and hundreds of lines) is the following:

> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14434 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: @ Some math fonts built from Times New Roman and Lucida by Sebastian Rahtz
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14436 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1 wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14437 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1-Bold wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14438 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1Mono wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14439 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1Mono-Bold wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14440 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2 wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14441 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2-Bold wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14442 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2Mono wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14443 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2Mono-Bold wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14444 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3 wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14445 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3-Bold wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14446 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3Mono wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14447 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3Mono-Bold wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14448 from pdftex.map.
> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math4 wolfram mma
> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14449 from pdftex.map.

Is there something else I should be doing to fix the font installation? I did run the ritual mktexlsr, and when I ran updmap-sys, I got another bunch of warnings:

> updmap: resetting $HOME value (was /Volumes/HD/Users/sra) to root's actual home (/var/root).
> updmap is using the following updmap.cfg files (in precedence order):
>   /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg
>   /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg
> updmap is using the following updmap.cfg file for writing changes:
>   /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg
> dvips output dir: "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvips/updmap"
> pdftex output dir: "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap"
> dvipdfmx output dir: "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvipdfmx/updmap"
> updmap: font ebsr8 is defined multiple times:
> updmap:   cm-super-t1.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
> updmap: font lasy7 is defined multiple times:
> updmap:   latxfont.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
>
> … [many, many more like this]

>

> updmap: font cmmib5 is defined multiple times:
> updmap:   cmextra.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
> updmap: font tbmo10 is defined multiple times:
> updmap:   cm-super-ts1.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
>
> updmap is creating new map files
> using the following configuration:
>   LW35 font names                  : URWkb (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>   prefer outlines                  : true (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>   texhash enabled                  : true
>   download standard fonts (dvips)  : true (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>   download standard fonts (pdftex) : true (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>   kanjiEmbed replacement string    : noEmbed (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>   kanjiVariant replacement string  :  (default)
>   create a mapfile for pxdvi       : false (default)
>
> Scanning for LW35 support files  [  3 files]
> Scanning for MixedMap entries    [ 42 files]
> Scanning for KanjiMap entries    [  6 files]
> Scanning for Map entries         [215 files]
>
> Generating output for dvipdfmx...
> Generating output for ps2pk...
> Generating output for dvips...
> Generating output for pdftex...
>
> Files generated:
>   /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvips/updmap:
>        15796 2013-11-15 15:00:34 builtin35.map
>        21269 2013-11-15 15:00:34 download35.map
>      1004971 2013-11-15 15:00:34 psfonts_pk.map
>      1256635 2013-11-15 15:00:34 psfonts_t1.map
>      1251774 2013-11-15 15:00:34 ps2pk.map
>           14 2013-11-15 15:00:35 psfonts.map -> psfonts_t1.map
>   /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap:
>      1251781 2013-11-15 15:00:35 pdftex_dl14.map
>      1250116 2013-11-15 15:00:34 pdftex_ndl14.map
>           15 2013-11-15 15:00:35 pdftex.map -> pdftex_dl14.map
>   /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvipdfmx/updmap:
>         5453 2013-11-15 15:00:34 kanjix.map
>
> Transcript written on "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/web2c/updmap.log".
> updmap: Updating ls-R files.

These two phenomena are undoubtedly related — what do I need to do to clean up the installation?

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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Herbert Schulz

On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Stephen Anderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:45:35 -0800, Michael Sharpe said:
>
>> If you can't find the FMP tools, email me your fonts (zipped, of course) and I'll try doing the FMP step.
>
> I took him up on his offer, and he has very kindly converted the fonts to .otf format.  Installing them (in place of the previous .suit versions) with FontBook, my files now compile under TeXLive-2013.  
>
> Many thanks to Michael: this is an amazing community.
>
> I still have a problem though, not apparently related to the Yale fonts.  When I run XeLaTeX (not, I discover, XeLaTeX-xdv2pdf any more) on my files, I get a huge number of warnings about font map mismatches.  All of these are unrelated to any font actually invoked in the document.  A representative sample (there are hundreds and hundreds of lines) is the following:
>
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14434 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: @ Some math fonts built from Times New Roman and Lucida by Sebastian Rahtz
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14436 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1 wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14437 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1-Bold wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14438 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1Mono wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14439 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math1Mono-Bold wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14440 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2 wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14441 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2-Bold wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14442 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2Mono wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14443 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math2Mono-Bold wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14444 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3 wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14445 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3-Bold wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14446 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3Mono wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14447 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math3Mono-Bold wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14448 from pdftex.map.
>> ** WARNING ** -- Ignore the current input buffer: Math4 wolfram mma
>> ** WARNING ** Found a mismatched fontmap line 14449 from pdftex.map.
>
> Is there something else I should be doing to fix the font installation? I did run the ritual mktexlsr, and when I ran updmap-sys, I got another bunch of warnings:
>
>> updmap: resetting $HOME value (was /Volumes/HD/Users/sra) to root's actual home (/var/root).
>> updmap is using the following updmap.cfg files (in precedence order):
>>  /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg
>>  /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg
>> updmap is using the following updmap.cfg file for writing changes:
>>  /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg
>> dvips output dir: "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvips/updmap"
>> pdftex output dir: "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap"
>> dvipdfmx output dir: "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvipdfmx/updmap"
>> updmap: font ebsr8 is defined multiple times:
>> updmap:   cm-super-t1.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
>> updmap: font lasy7 is defined multiple times:
>> updmap:   latxfont.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
>>
>> … [many, many more like this]
>
>>
>
>> updmap: font cmmib5 is defined multiple times:
>> updmap:   cmextra.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
>> updmap: font tbmo10 is defined multiple times:
>> updmap:   cm-super-ts1.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>> updmap:   special.map (from /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg) (used)
>>
>> updmap is creating new map files
>> using the following configuration:
>>  LW35 font names                  : URWkb (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>>  prefer outlines                  : true (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>>  texhash enabled                  : true
>>  download standard fonts (dvips)  : true (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>>  download standard fonts (pdftex) : true (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>>  kanjiEmbed replacement string    : noEmbed (/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg)
>>  kanjiVariant replacement string  :  (default)
>>  create a mapfile for pxdvi       : false (default)
>>
>> Scanning for LW35 support files  [  3 files]
>> Scanning for MixedMap entries    [ 42 files]
>> Scanning for KanjiMap entries    [  6 files]
>> Scanning for Map entries         [215 files]
>>
>> Generating output for dvipdfmx...
>> Generating output for ps2pk...
>> Generating output for dvips...
>> Generating output for pdftex...
>>
>> Files generated:
>>  /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvips/updmap:
>>       15796 2013-11-15 15:00:34 builtin35.map
>>       21269 2013-11-15 15:00:34 download35.map
>>     1004971 2013-11-15 15:00:34 psfonts_pk.map
>>     1256635 2013-11-15 15:00:34 psfonts_t1.map
>>     1251774 2013-11-15 15:00:34 ps2pk.map
>>          14 2013-11-15 15:00:35 psfonts.map -> psfonts_t1.map
>>  /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap:
>>     1251781 2013-11-15 15:00:35 pdftex_dl14.map
>>     1250116 2013-11-15 15:00:34 pdftex_ndl14.map
>>          15 2013-11-15 15:00:35 pdftex.map -> pdftex_dl14.map
>>  /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/fonts/map/dvipdfmx/updmap:
>>        5453 2013-11-15 15:00:34 kanjix.map
>>
>> Transcript written on "/usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-var/web2c/updmap.log".
>> updmap: Updating ls-R files.
>
> These two phenomena are undoubtedly related — what do I need to do to clean up the installation?
>
> --
>
> Steve Anderson

Howdy,

I don't have an updmap.cfg file in /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c at all! Where did yours come from? Try to remove it and run

sudo -H updmap-sys

again.

Xdv2pdf is DEAD. It goes back to the early days when XeTeX was only on the Mac and used Apple technology that only existed on Macs and, even there, is virtually dead even on the Mac. That was one of the points for the massive changes in XeTeX.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)




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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

Peter Dyballa
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Am 15.11.2013 um 21:06 schrieb Stephen Anderson:

> Is there something else I should be doing to fix the font installation?

Disable special.map! This is not supplied by TeX Live. mma font files are not supported by TeX utilities.

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Re: Problem with font AND TeX distribution pref pane

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Not to prolong this thread, but I wanted to record that the problem of warning messages has been fixed. Disabling special.map (by itself) per Peter Dyballa’s suggestion did not suffice, but getting rid of the apparently spurious updmap.cfg file in /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-config/web2c/ per Herb Schulz’s suggestion did the trick.  I have no idea where that came from… I didn’t create it explicitly, but it must have been a by-product of some of my previous attempts to solve the font problems.

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